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20 Jun 2012 11:16

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Post Re: muzzleloading guide - moved
Like the man said, 'stupidity can be painful' and no doubt there are instances of BP being used incorrectly or uncarefully that have caused injury or death, but these cases are usually those where a combination of complacency and iggerance have combined.

Over in the USA, where BP firearms are, in general, freely availlable to most folks, older [and sometimes newer] guns are still being found and even sold, still loaded after the last time they were stood up behind the porch door.

The habit of folks over there to take a gas-torch to help ease out old parts can instantly set off a charge, usually in wrong direction. Sadly, there are often people in that direction, and a 500gr MiniƩ bullet travels just as fast now as it did back then. Here in yUK, back in 2000, we safely 'unloaded' a P53 rifled musket that had been on the wall of a local pub since the turn of the 19th/20th century. Taking it down and putting the ramrod down the barrel showed that it was still loaded with a substantial charge. Rather than try and dismantle the rather fragile-looking nipple, we elected to clean it out and see if it would fire.

We did so.

It went bang in a very satisfactory manner, and in a safe direction, blowing newspaper 'confetti' everywhere. No bullet, just a blank load for 'saluting' the New Year, we guessed, or celebrating Victoria's sixty years on the throne. The gun, now cleaned up, is in regular use with a shooter of the Vintage Arms Association.

Here in Europe, where we tend to take our 'fun with guns' a lot more seriously, there are a number of rules about handling your BP firearm on the range, since they are usually prohibited from use for hunting anything due to the lack of velocity or simple muzzle energy, or a combination of both. Surprisingly, not even the .45-70 meets the minimum velocity/me figure here in yUK.

Everybody who handles BP for fun on a range is fully aware of the dangers and the need to exercise caution in handling the stuff. This is why we make up our revolver cartridges [I do] or use glass phials/vials for individual charges.

1. Handguns of the revolver type use anything between 12-15gr [.31cal pocket revolver] to 55-60gr [.44cal Colt Walker], in each chamber or the five of six-round cylinder.

2. Large calibre rifled flintlock pistols use anything between 20-60gr. Duelling pistols enter this category, although they should not, according to the London Rules, be rifled. The French got around this by having 'secret rifling' that was not visible on looking down the muzzle. Ahaaaaaaaah.....Les Francais!

3. Large calibre smooth-bore military or militia flintlock pistols use anything between 50 and 60gr.

4. Flintlock or percussion target pistols, as you have seen, can use very little indeed - 12 - 20gr is usual.

5. Flintlock rifles - anything between 45 - 120gr.

6. Percussion rifles - anything between 40-100gr.

7. Smoothbore muskets - anything between 50 - 120gr.

The non-explosive BP substitutes - Pyrodex, Triple 7, CleanShot and so on, generally use between 15 and 20% LESS than the equivalent WEIGHT of BP, but all are measured by VOLUME. Because the subs are less dense than BP they weight less, but occupy the same volume.


1. They have the advantage of easier clean-up, although the jury is out on that one, and are more economical in use, ie more shots per pound.

2. Because they are classed as propellant, and NOT an explosive, they can be bought by anybody who has a a suitable firearm in which to use it without the need for any other form of license.

3. They do not require any special form of storage - as noted, they are NOT explosive.


1. They all need 'hotter' percussion caps for reliable ignition as the initial flagration point is substantially higher than that of any BP - typically 600-700F rather than 450F or so.

2. Because of this, they cannot be used in the priming pan of any flintlock arm.

3. They are ALL more expensive than the real thing. Often double the price.

4. They are not allowed in ANY competition or re-enactment scenarios.

5. They are often substantially more 'lively' than a BP load - by that I mean that they achieve their [higher] peak pressure curve sooner than BP. Subs should therefore only be used in replicas or in guns that are of proven good condition. ALL modern replicas that are marked 'Black powder Only' are also safe to use with subs.

6. Range Officials are required to undertake an NRA BP firearm handling course to qualify as range officers. Running any range with BP/subs on it is a different kettle of fish from any other because of the far more complex load/unload/make-safe/hangfire/misfire rules.

All agree, however, that it's great fun - and THAT is what it's all about.

I'll answer any and all questions.


21 Jun 2012 21:36

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Post Re: muzzleloading guide
Here in Europe, where we tend to take our 'fun with guns' a lot more seriously

So would MLAGB be more serious or not in your opinion tac

19 Oct 2012 11:05

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Post Re: muzzleloading guide
SMLE 303 wrote:
Here in Europe, where we tend to take our 'fun with guns' a lot more seriously

So would MLAGB be more serious or not in your opinion tac

The MLAGB are a VERY serious and, some would say, iconic association here in UK. They have not only got ther own range at Wedgenock, but also provide the national and international team of shooters.

Sounds serious to me. But serious fun.

I'm not a member because I find BP difficult to hold in my house - my home insurance company doesn't like the thought of it, but I'd like to have been.


19 Oct 2012 12:17
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